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Gina Schrank's avatar

Thanks, Linh, for all the useful context on Hamas. The thing that utterly floors me is that Israel can keep getting away with the same sham set-ups time after time. I am talking about the 9-11 demolitions which they did very efficiently, with the passive assistance of the US who took all of their response personnel off on vacations (or exercises, as they said), allowing the "art students " to do their dirty work. Thus, again, the Israeli military was nowhere to be found for hours after "Hamas" shot up the music festival and the Kibbutz, only to appear in their bombers to complete the dirty work of killing their own people. People here in the US (and perhaps in Israel too) are so darn stupid as to fall for these fraudulent enterprises -- that is perhaps the most depressing aspect of the whole thing. There have always been very evil people afoot in this world, but populations that are so gullible in this "glorious information age" --- that is the real kicker that convinces me that it is all so so hopeless.

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In my Navy days back in the late 70s I saw a number of non-English-speaking (I assume) performers in various Western Pacific ports singing their renditions of American pop music. Many of them do verge on parody, but I’ve heard a few that were very good. One of the best was at a Japanese resort hotel in Guam. (The US military dominates the island, but it was little known that there were five resort hotels on Guam’s western beach, located far away from all that, catering to Japanese tourists. Guam was the poor Japanese salaryman’s Hawaii back then.)

Me and a couple of buddies decided to check out one of these hotels, and found ourselves in the hotel disco, packed with Japanese vacationers; I think we might have been the only English speakers in the room—even our server had very limited English skills. The band, all Japanese guys, was playing an assortment of stuff from all over, including many American hits. My vivid memory is their perfectly accent-free rendition of Climax Blues Band, “Couldn’t Get It Right”, a US hit in the mid-70s. The only thing that was off was that they were nearly a full octave higher than the real thing. It was funny, but still very good.

Even before your piece today, I’ve shared your thought about historical land claims. As you say, no one is ultimately indigenous to anywhere. On the other hand, there is such a thing as theft, imperialism, empire-building, etc. So the big question is: where do you draw the line? When does it move from “theft” to “squatter’s rights?”

I have more or less concluded that any such stuff that happened to people still living can probably be considered “theft.”. Once a few generations have passed, it begins to move into the realm of “squatter’s rights.” But cultures vary around the world, and some have amazingly long memories. In the Balkans, each of maybe half a dozen ethnic groups believes that it is entitled to a restoration of boundaries that existed when its culture was at its greatest extent, back as long as 1000 years! Obviously someone will be coming home empty-handed from that party.

Another thing to consider is whether, after the passage of time, a particular “wrong” can logically be “righted.” Perhaps there is still time to try to make the Palestinians whole again. The Irish, perhaps not. The Native American, almost definitely not. Thinking of the latter, consider that even if we gave back all the land formerly under their sway, there aren’t many around that are waiting to go back to a pre-industrial hunter-gatherer lifestyle. So we’re talking essentially about throwing money at them to right what is seen as a historical injustice?

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